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There are several problematic interpretations of other cards regardless of what base ruling is chosen, in addition to the effects on this card.
Nowhere in the rules, errata, or FAQ does it state that card text is not processed during the Results step of an action. since there is no rule against it, by default it is processed. If card text is processed; the card gets reshuffled and the second paragraph is not read. This also means that "Forewarned is Forearmed" can be discarded from the revealed cards to get an extra star (it does not say it needs to be discarded from your hand). If card text is not processed during the Results step of an action, the second paragraph isn't appropriate either. It was never processed the first time you saw the card, as you shuffled it into the action deck first, and it cannot be processed now without clarification. This also means that without clarification, the Flying Roots cards have no effect. You need a rule, errata, or FAQ answer to clarify the text that should be applicable when drawn from the action deck in the Results step of an action ALSO, how does it ever get into the action deck in the first case - it was never there, so you can never shuffle it BACK into the action deck. I listed the four possible intended interpretations of the card, and the required changes to make sure that the intention is clear to ALL players. As is, we have some players playing it as a 1 star that gets shuffled back in the deck and others playing it as a 1 star that gets discarded (the 2 sane interpretations). There is nothing in the rules, errata, or FAQ that states which is correct, and I could not find any designer ruling either. Posté - Edité
Proposed fix for this card and the Flying Roots:
The rules should have the following 2 paragraphs: All card rules text is applicable when a card is in a play area or taken from the Adventure deck. During the Result Step of an action, only card rules text starting with "when revealed during the Result step...", continuing to the end of the card, is active. End of proposed fix I am posting this here as there is some question about the interpretation, but all possibilities require some errata. The first 2 results are what happens if you follow the text as written and do/don't process text outside the Result area when revealing cards from the Action deck in the Results stage. possible Intents: 1. This card is intended as a 0 star card that stays in the action deck (process the text in order every time you see it) Result: shuffled into the Action deck every time you see it, the 2nd paragraph never takes effect. Errata: remove the word 'back' from the first sentence. remove the 2nd paragraph 2. This card is intended as a 0 star card that goes to the discard pile (don't process any text as it is not inside the Result banner) result:shuffled into the Action deck only the first time you see it, the 2nd paragraph never takes effect. Errata: change the first sentence to 'the first time you reveal this card, shuffle this card into the action deck', remove the 2nd paragraph. Add to the FAQ a ruling that text outside the Result area should not be processed. 3. This card is intended to be a 1 star card that stays in the action deck. Errata: swap the 2 paragraphs, remove the word 'back' from the shuffle sentence. 4. This card is intended to be a 1 star card that goes to the discard pile. This is the hard one - ruling that the text should be processed will affect Forewarned is Forearmed and Valiant Hearts shall not Fail (there is nothing on those card saying you can only discard from hand, and if the text is processed, you can get an extra 1 or 2 stars when they are first drawn for a test) Errata: change the first sentence to 'the first time you reveal this card, shuffle this card into the action deck', and either: a. rule that the 2nd paragraph should be processed, and accept that Forewarned and Valiant Hearts can be used when they are revealed b. swap the paragraphs and rule that the second paragraph establishes a condition that can be met. Add to the FAQ a ruling that text outside the Result area should not be processed. EDIT: And after 2 pages of "answers", STILL nobody has actually thought through my question and either provided a rules reference, official clarification, or even a well thought through answer addressing the problems I raised. most of the answers have been of the form "It is obvious (end of post)" or "this is what it means (no addressing of the issued associated with such an interpretation or of the other reasonable interpretation at all)" EDIT 2: So after all this and reading the full text of card 180 and the Flying Roots cards, it seems the only interpretation that seems that it might accomplish what the designers intended is: During the Result Step of an action, only card text starting with "when revealed during the Result step...", continuing to the end of the card, is active. And to arrive at that interpretation took thorough going over the various permutations of interpretation and how they interacted with the actual wording of: Card 180 The Flying Roots "Forewarned is Forearmed" and "Valiant Hearts Shall Not Fail" And we still arent 100% sure that is what is intended. It's just the only interpretation that does not cause perceived problems with one or more of the above cards. And before Card 180 and Flying Roots almost everyone "knew" that card text did not apply during the Results step of an action. (Partially because only 2 cards had text that made any sense then and prior games made us think that you generally only discard from your hand) Posté - Edité
My point is the ability is one sentence. You have to finish the actions in one step.
If there is no aggressiveness card to retrieve, you can't discard the stealth card. The results you were talking about are listed as 2 steps, not 1. Here is a rewriting of her ability. This sentence has the same meaning, but the actions are listed in the opposite order: You may take a card with the keyword aggressiveness from the discard pile to your hand by discarding a card with the stealth keyword from your hand or inventory. Would you say that you could use that reworded ability to pick up War Paint from the discard and pay for it by discarding War Paint from your hand? Could you take an aggressiveness card even if you have no stealth card (doing as much as possible)? Posté
My take: the ability allows you to discard a stealth card in order to retrieve an aggressiveness card from the discard pile. You need to know what card you are retrieving to use the ability, therefore the card you retrieve has to be in the discard pile before you use the ability.
In other words: You need to have a targeted stealth card in hand or inventory and a targeted aggressiveness in discard pile to use the ability. |